Jumping to conclusions too early, or on the basis of too little and incorrect information is likely to lead to the wrong conclusions. The deaths of more than 4,680 people have been documented during migration in Asia since 2014, often linked to the exodus of the Rohingya from Myanmar. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. To the left hangs a cow skull smeared with blood, perhaps worn during the sacrifices. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. Draw a line from that point in all directions as far as they could travel in the time to the emergency call, and there must be part of the answer to the mystery inside that circle. For pareidiologists, in the Cave photo on the right just over halfway from Kris head to the edge of the photo there is an arm and hand tied to a tree, and to the right of Kris leg is the sole of a walking boot with a light stripe down the middle. And I cannot fathom standing this way, hands behind the back and turned like that unless my hands were restricted behind my back. There is definitely a face on that the post/tree to the right of Kris. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. The critical time is between the last foto and the first SOS call. Reading this reminded me of another photo the girls took of a branch with what appears to be red plastic attached to it. I havent seen any discussions on this. after studying the original photo, she is actually posing sticking her tongue out, in a slight hunched over salute, the light is hitting her hand, her pose and demeanor makes me believe it is Lisanne taking the photo. Many hikers from all over the world disappear, fall,or suffer other fatalaccidents while traveling-this could've happened to these women as well. Further to my earlier reply of a few minutes ago, I think the dying from exposure angle is only possible if we consider that either the girls abandoned the rucksack for some reason or it was discovered after their passing. Bizarre! The hand painted insignia looks more like a face to me.. In either case, maybe the rucksack was looted then later planted to avoid criminal implication. Before that, in image 507 & 508, you can see Kris in a stiff, nervous posture, because the girls saw someone they were afraid of closing in. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? There are . Even the bones, the few that remain. No way would I walk down that path. They were not lost. The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. Or perhaps its an offshoot from the trail along a natural gully that leads to a dead-end? He has collected much that is out there but still the majority is second hand and we have no information as to the voracity. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. It looks straight and like it may go over the eye and above it. It has to be her arm and hand that are blocking that part of her shirt. Maybe a struggle or fall? Adventurers and travelers seek different experiences. The simplest explanations are most likely to be the correct explanations. The abductor did not take their things because hes not a thief. EERIE photos discovered on a camera belonging to two missing hikers revealed their mysterious final moments before both girls vanished in the jungle in Panama. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. However, upon closer inspection, shes really ducking her head as to say look at the things over my head. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. Even if there is only one it can provide information of they were not which is important to reduce the places they could be because much of the conspiracy theories I see seem to suggest they were not on the trail. Did they each have a camera or only Lisanne? Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. Regarding the existing photos its a big mess. Sadly, shortly after, she meets someone she fears and call the police. The arbitrary pictures looked focused as if steady hands took the shots, suggesting they were intentional. Her hair is also too clean and shiny for someone who has been out in the jungle for 8 days. Looks like 2 blurred out people one talker than other behind her over her left shoulder or her left when looking left of pic. A decade under Maduro, migration marks Venezuelans' lives I see the nose and mouth and possibly and eye, like they were trying to hide from the girls or camera and peaking behind branches creepy. At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. To Jane I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. Plus, corruption in Panamas government is rampant. But in the last year, several mass graves have been unearthed, revealing to the world a dark practice of human sacrifice which is thriving in the jungles of Panama. Like she was scouting and turned back to talk to Lisanne, shielding her eyes from the sun to see her. The two friends were traveling home after spending New Year's Eve weekend at a bed and breakfast on the Panamanian island Isla Contadora on Jan. 3 when their small plane, piloted by the B&B owner, suffered an engine failure and crashed off the coast of Chame, according to friends and family. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. Make sure you contact someone with this info. I believe one fell. That does not make sense if they were genuine. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. I just would like to know if you see that as well? And look at it from this point of view. It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. If they did, then Im wondering if the dog named Blue went with them or was allowed in the taxi. How come there are so many disappearances in S. America Is there a head count of how many people have perished using the hiking trail in, say the last 10 years? Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? Theres A red plastic bag above Kris in a tree to her left. Does anyone see what I see? Thank you for your comment. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. You ask good questions. I hope someday the family has answers. Apparently this villager travelled abroad, adopted extremist Christian views, returned home and started a cult in his own village which resulted in human sacrifices of other locals. If you find any additional information, please let me know. December 12, 2022. The chain of custody is muddy. The Taxi driver was found dead later so no idea how much of this could be confirmed. https://i.postimg.cc/3xK4Pdmb/Kris-Kremers-Full-Photo-Highest-Res-auto-x1-1-photos-v2-faces-x2-colored-toned.jpg. Stop trying to read too much into it. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. My interest would be to see if its scientifically possible for the official theory to have happened. Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? if both then was the other found in their room? Gangs usually just compete against each other and sometimes tourists are victims of opportunism or caught in the cross-fire. I no longer believe there was any mirror; What we see is instead is the lid of a soft food container (you can see the food stuck around the edges). Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. This case has captivated me. Like local tribesmen. Theres no telling how many people touched it before the police got it. Do the additional photos reveal anything more? Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. Caruso, 56, died on June 17 after staying at the Boca Chica Resort in Santo Domingo. One thing which confused me were the bras the smaller one looks more like a bikini top. In fact, Im almost certain of it. He has a weapon like o jr t in his hands. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. Yes, you are correct that numerous communities do work hard to bring criminals to justice. Froon and Kremers were both in their early 20s; they traveled to Panama to work with children. They no longer had their phones or camera and made no emergency calls at all. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. They are 99.999999% preventable. Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. Read Matts article about the daytime photos (link) for more detailed information. From 508 onward. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. Ive written about dozens of stories involving incompetence of law enforcement in disappearance cases. Do you have any idea how many people of all ages go missing here every single day. So this photo may possibly offer more insight into the story. Beyond that, the police are even suspect in altering evidence and not preserving it. Who did the manipulation of course is a mystery but it points to being a corroboration of the police narrative that they got lost. Chilling photos reveal final moments of missing hikers in Panama jungle play. Youre welcome to do that other places online. And that looks to be a stocker style stand. For this websites credibility I would strongly recommend more thorough moderation of peoples comments. I know that its tempting to a lot of people to make simple conclusions, but its simply not possible to make conclusions without more information. The girls' camera showed evidence of what may have happened. Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. 3. And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. December 20, 2022. Everything suggests they had no clue what they were doing when they took the taxi to the start of the trail. Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. It happens often and I cant even imagine how horrible it was. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. But by April 6, the girls were still missing. But there are a few holesin this particular theory. After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. Foul play is very likely. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. Disturbing evidence also showed there were a number of failed attempts to unlock Kris' phone - sparking another theory that Kris had died and Lisanne was frantically trying to access her phone to get help. It is cooler at those altitudes but also inside the forest it will be more humid. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. Wonder if this case has any similarities? News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. I see nothing extraordinary in this photo, without stretching imagination. Her stance is weird there is nothing of note she could be looking at and it is difficult to tell what her right arm is doing. I would certainly buy it if it had been printed in English. Tourism in Panama - Wikipedia I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. Thats from her palm. I dont understand the question. Is there a particular name, symbol or color associated with the gang? However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. But the blue was also something I noticed. There is so much to see and Juan is amazing. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. And I think that sunlight she is trying t avoid also is the reason for her facial expression. Article about our trip plans: Research Team Update Support Us, Campaign Link: Mapping The Jungle Trails Of Panama. Each year, around 30,000 people are reported missing in Australiaone person every 18 minutes. I have created a comparison of the original photo leaked to the public, the artificially upsampled version thereof and the (presumed) full resolution picture taken from the article linked to in my previous post (all cropped to show only Kris and further 2 magnified). The commenters here are speculating wildly about this particular picture. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. Think about it. In other pictures of her crossing water she is clearly dirty with her hair up. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. A path looks different anyway when you walk back the other way so they would not be aware they were not heading the right way and carried on. I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. Its thought that Kremers and Froon were exploring nature without anyone else around. So if you look behind her bottom theres a patch of light which is the light at the other end of this tunnel and shes holding her right hand up to her face to sweep back a piece of hair. https://postimg.cc/94q0cVhH. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? Id love to know if these pics exsist. I do believe that this appears to be some sort of structure though, it does seem like some vines / branches have been woven together to form some sort of hut and even the AI enhancement would not make the blue appear on the floor so distinctly, the color and look almost reminds me of a scrap of denim like material? Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. I dont think theres anything untoward I think shes saying look at this tunnel. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. Thanks for the analysis though, I keep looking for new stuff, this case really gets to meI can see why people think this was a criminal act -I see that with some aspects of the case, however, I do think that it was the result of injury and or getting lost -I cant see a criminal 1) letting them keep their phones and camera and 2) letting the camera and phones being discovered. She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. Not getting any fingerprints looks suspect. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. Loads of speculations as to why they didnt leave messages to their families. From the story of Holger, it seems unlikely to imagine that the medical examiner overlooked the very serious condition of the cyclists remains. I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. Of course these generalities and cultural traits do not apply to everyone here. They were obviously following a trail, and most trails are made by humans, so human presence would be expected, I think. Hi Mohaiminul, you mention some good questions. In India's Parvati Valley, dozens of male tourists have gone missing Theres so much conflicting information regardless of which theory is chosen. Also, the parents did not release all the images. However, the perpetrators likely wanted the authorities to believe they were taken on the pianista trail. But after they waved goodbye to the local family for a mid-morning walk on April 1, 2014, they were never seen alive again. Australia has 2,000 missing persons and 500 unidentified human remains Granted, other dangers certainly exist and thats why we can only speculate about what happened to them. I think Kris and Lisanne were two smart, savvy, levelheaded young women. I dissagree with her hand beeing tied. The consumption of Ayahuasca as a religious experimental drug is becoming very common in different countries. Several people have gone missing in national parks across the country Why would the perpetrators concoct all of the photo/backpack evidence? I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. The predator is methodical. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? Im starting to think the girls were lured to Panama by some kind of human trafficking organization that might even be run out of the Netherlands. I previously read that online, although it was a while ago and I cant remember where I read that. Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. Lisanne believes her dead. He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. Ive seen the chronological order of the photos posted by Scarlet and some of the strikes me as being askew. Hi Jason, thanks for you comment. Thanks for the observation. Oliver, I just looked at your 1st link, and I can clearly see a human face in the red circle. JW, I agree with you totally, thanks for your intelligent remarks! Heres more info: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/research-team-update-join-us/. The final photo may have been eliminated after thought by the still remaining friend, as it may have been too traumatic for her. Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. This tribe was not located near the area where Kris and Lisanne disappeared, and therefore, in no way can be connected to the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. OmgIm staring at this pic. So I see men in the cave. Something drastic happened it is clear but what exactly and where exactly? incredibly complicated for a new story to be written. David Lee Thomas Bass - Facts About the Musician. Thank you so much for walking the walk. Also, I do not know about the girls living situation and the relationship between the girls and the owner. or Yes, this was taken after their photos at the Mirador. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. Their backpack contents and electronics were stolen to be sold later but handed back to stop the search and not be incriminated. Or maybe the girls were using the flash as light in the dark. I think in the original photo she is putting on her backpack, stretching her arm and back, and the backpack has been airbrushed out because of course she didnt take that with her. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. Dominican Republic Tourist Deaths: What to Know About Safety - Time Perhaps this is someone who had already joined them along the trail, and that only one of the girls was cool with the third party thats why the complete change from the first exuberant pictures. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. No,they werent murdered. Does anyone know if the dog they brought with them is in any photos from the hike? She turns to talk Lisanna This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. They should be alive and flourishing today. Why did he leave them? The relationship between pets and owners is different in Central America than in developed countries. The picture people think she is looking down she is hanging with hands tied behind her back. They had planned a trip in the forest the next day, on April 2nd, with a local guide. again, this has been superimposed on the scene and again her feet are obscured because she is not wearing boots. For forensic work, any such upsampling is worthless. In the days following the students' disappearances, authorities conducted footand aerial searches. When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. If one or both of the phones were missing, it would have generated more questions. I just find it strange that no video diary or fotos of each other made after 508. In this photo is another object (or two? I have seen her stick out her tongue and other photos of her. People have been there. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle.

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