If you don't know know shit about the processes of the ocean and coastal erosion then please put your hand up and say so. Thanks heaps for the update Craig. Greed and stupidity rule in councils . What they could all agree upon is that council has lost the trust of all whove opposed the seawall over the decades. Collaroy has a long history of property erosion, yet a century after it was first documented theres no consensus about how it should be managed. Lets do the modelling and begin building offshore wave traps and manmade surf-breaks. Existing market value must take into account that houses have erosion problems. 3) How much has Council spent on legal fees defending Land & Environment Court appeals related to seawalls since the 2016 storm? Wow Zen saw those photo's , it's really sad that they couldn't come up with something else , which raises the question.what other alternatives are there?? Get Pro. I have to disagree. You don't have to look around the world because the Gold Coast has implemented the only effective "non- ugly as fuck" option at Palm Beach Qld. The lessons, it would seem, are still being learnt. Agree 100%. Can somebody please sack almost ALL so called coastal engineers for Fuck's sake! Basically the awarding of contracts falls across a couple of ministries. lilas Manly Hydraulics did the work which was used for the initial design but I am not so sure about their input on what was finally constructed. I'm not entirely sure, but one of the reasons why an offshore reef structure hasn't been considered for Narrabeen may be because it's part of the Northern Sydney Protection Zone, hosting submarine cables that connect Australia to various parts of the Pacific (including Japan). Councils of times gone by should never have approved houses to be built on the beach in known spots of erosion aswell as houses on the beach full stop as sand dunes have there purpose . Hey guys I need to write an informative paper based on remedial measures used to protect infrastructure against erosion. I asked a mate who works at MHL this exact question. They may have a wall, but there will be no beach in front of it. 1. Hi Mark. "We haven't had a flood here for 20 years you say. Hi Craig, the short answer is I'm not sure as I have been out of NSW too long. we all end up paying for it directly if we haven't already e.g. Rather than a natural ebb and flow of wave energy, a hard structure increases reflective energy and turbulence, making it difficult for sand to settle and accrete. I tear up and swear to myself. For the most part I understand buybacks but, how will they appraise the value of these properties? This strategy had been used in other parts of the world where poor planning placed buildings too close to the ocean. Pipeline specialist injured while duckdiving in heavy waves. And this is on a small, weak windswell from the south-east. https://www.celeria.org/ On Saturday November 27th hundreds of locals came down to Collaroy Beach / North Narrabeen Beach in grim weather conditions to protest the monstrous 7 meter . The devil is in the detail and the more we understand the science behind it the better. other than just the width of beaches increasing, has anyone actually seen a full dune rebuilt. It shows how different combinations of coastal defences and wave and tide conditions affect overtopping and flood risk. I have limited state / lga experience but my perception is this broader thinking can get lost in short term self interest (putting it politely) as touched on by BB and others. Perhaps the omission was because in 2002, protestors, led by Brendan Donohoe and Surfrider Foundation founder Tom Kirsop, formed a "line in the sand" stretching from Collaroy to Narrabeen opposing the construction of any seawalls. It's folly to believe you can hold back the Pacific. This widely publicized protest was an attempt to promote a pro-democracy, civil liberty, social justice message, and to protest against corporate greed and economic inequality. It might take a bit of digging to prove it, but the evidence is accumulating already. If you're looking to protect your property from flooding with erosion control in McHenry, IL and the larger Chicagoland area, give Seawalls Unlimited a call at (815) 331-8830. Although ill be constantly monitoring the situation and around at cathedral the beach profile has certainly been getting steeper. The Local Government Act allows the council to set a special rate to pay for that. Moreover, the current DA makes no mention of sand nourishment from sand sourced elsewhere, such as deeper water offshore. After five years and four contests, the performance level at Kelly's Hot Tub hasn't evolved but instead gone the other way. These impacts would have been explicitly tied to that particular design option by the engineers and other specialists involved. nothings going to stop him on his daily dip. collaroy vs long reef, have always had signifcant erosion issues. Further to the north, sand that was built up in front of properties has been scoured away leaving an eight foot drop-off. However, Craig, when you say "Comparing the swell to those of last year it wasn't of any major significance but it shows the futile efforts trying to protect property with a hard structure." Dates announced for Spencer Frost and Guy Williment's film shot in Russia's far east. Would be really good to see an article on the current state of affairs in the Coastal engineering world. Death of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Collaroy resident Tony Cagorski lost more than 10 metres of his yard during the weekend's wild weather, undermining the foundations of his home. Aside from high tides and Tsunamis, Im guessing most islands/atolls dont suffer much erosion when surrounded by reefs? The properties were bought in good faith, said one local who wished to remain anonymous, and the owners must feel an obligation for the authorities to protect them, but a seawall is last century thinking.. Buy backs should only be an.option when they contribute to an environmentally sound solution. If anyone was to slide down the edge during one of these high-tide swells there would be a high chance of being washed off their feet and dragged out to sea. I am safely 140m above sea-level now so that should be safefor a while hahaha. That this kind of construction was approved with the obvious impacts on the public domain (the beach) simply beggars belief, and the real focus should be on the process to consider the design options and then issue the approval. and the sick irony of the beach access sign detailing the seawall works with all "enquires to be made Btw when I say 4ft these waves 99.99% of the time are sloppy, they break for half a second and then dissapear and its an ugly wash for kms out to sea. Making it deeper? I can see everybody getting angry here on SN..but what are the solutions to seal level rise , Short term and long term. We had made a big mistake that would become bigger. Collaroy Park Estate Narrabeen: Sea View Pde, Beach Rd, Collaroy Ave, Main Pittwater Rd, Govt. The majority of these companies are legitimate businesses set up by Yakuza. There isnt much fetch so its only ever weak 1-4ft tops of onshore wave after wave onslaught, this a particular problem at high tide caus most bays and points usually go flat at high tide but under an easterly scenario the easterly windswell pushes right up to the dunes, and easterly swells require lots of wind and from what Ive read on swellnet these large storms if the pressure is low enough will raise sea levels higher than normal. Futile. "Update from Council on possible site visit to Northern Beaches: Casey Johnston advised a site visit to Narrabeen-Collaroy is being canvased for early December 2021 to allow review of their seawall in construction. Another week, another pumping day in the south-west of France. Brendan Donohoe says the . If you want to witness how to do irreparable damage to a coastline, look no further than Japan. Where the only issue is private property things are a bit simpler. Might be time to lawyer up. Photograph: Wendy Harmer Coastal municipalities have been tackling the problem with a suite of measures. If you look at the photo of the wall there appears to be a set of stairs built into the concrete for each property. "Once this is up it'll be a momentum for others to do it too," said Orth. It never went to a vote of councillors, where it would have been likely voted down . Construction of a seawall is underway to protect homes at Collaroy Beach. And find outwhy you'll soon hear a hell of a lot more about them. Are the exposed quarried rocks part of the construction/ foundation or are they from pre existing efforts. As far as I know their job was to asses the designs given to them by the Coastal engineers, not to actually create any designs. In 1974I witnessed what cyclonic ocean power can do to ignorantly planned beach development 50 years on and a lot of sea miles under my belt. There are many software suits now that can handle very complex near-shore modeling, including sediment transport from wave and current action. The matter is currently under investigation by Environmental . Harmer and husband have been protesting for 14 years to stop surf barrier She led 2002 lobby against $12 million wall proposed by Warringah council A monster Sydney storm wiped out properties. Not even the dude came up with half an ear! A bit like asking journos writing about climate change to include references scientific papers talking about how CO2 is a greenhouse gas. With expected sea level rises obviosly making those matters worse - however there is some irony in the fact Gina Reinheart whose carbon footprint is horrendous, just bought the most exposed land in sunshine beach to these very issues - but im also stressed people like her etc will want to build sea walls down the track. In 2002, about 3000 people took to the beach to protest a planned sea wall, concerned it could destroy the beach. Rd: 7th Oct. 1912: c041070001: 1912: Z/SP/C25/1a: Collaroy Park Estate Narrabeen: No boundaries shown: 7th Oct. 1912: c041070002 [1915] Z/SP/C25/2 [plan of Collaroy] Government Rd, Sea View Pde, Collaroy Ave, Main Pittwater Rd, Jenkins Pde, Beach Rd . Alas this would have meant some loss / damage to private property. My comment was maybe too obscure but was meant to be sarcastic. My working assumption is that they have behaved unethically on this matter. I think we have already seen 19 cm of sea level rise on the east coast - and at least up here it hasnt translated to any significant/extended erosion issues. Criticism of the debris left on the beach, the erosion as the sea ran up against the wall and drew away all the sand during January 2022 swells and the manner in which these works have been carried out prompted council staff to investigate a number of times during the heavy swells, and has been under regular inspection since then. Separately at the Collaroy pool end of the beach when the walk way became unstable they just craned in these massive bags of rocks on top of each other and said job done - ugly as fuck. Initial reports claim Marcio Friere wasn't wearing an inflatable vest when he was held down in large waves. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II died in Balmoral on 8 September 2022 (GMT) at age 96. Just wondering if the stairs built into the wall are private property? Bite the bullet and start buying the properties back and bulldozing them. Sea level rise equation is based on the Bruun Rule to ascertain erosion in open coastal areas like Collaroy. bit of a worry but, when you buy a nice piece of land by the ocean in high risk erosion zone..why do tax payers have to buy the property back,,,surely the owner knew the risks ? This seawall will not only protect our homes but also Pittwater Rd, and the many communication and public services installed under it, from inevitable future storm events. Lance any surf info about Middleton Reef ? If they are falling into the ocean or they require extensive works or continual maintenance, then what is the market value? I am working on a gipa application to try and find out what community consultation they did for the second DA. Some family recently went through this as their house sat above the construction zone for the Spit / Northern Beaches Link tunnel. Unfortunately, what we see in Collaroy might become a norm to protect this lifestyle. So they all get their own private beach access. Seeing and continuing a precedent that the government should pay and protect small groups of private landholders while the property owner reap the benefit and profit of rocket fuel property prices. Turned this place into a concreters paradise. The whole buy back argument being too expensive is a crock of shit. a report a number of years ago by the Great Ocean Road Coastal Committee, GORCCshowed there were more than 47 areas that were of immediate concern where the ocean would cut the road. The seven metres protruding above sea level is vertical, even going beyond vertical for the final metre to prevent wave overtopping. My parents in NZ were excited when they took out bloodymangroves at the mouth of the estuary where they lived. Apparently this is just one part of the seawall. To my way of thinking, and with a working understanding of government process, the real issue is the approval process. This has cut into the base of the dunes below the surf club. 'This Pristine Beach Is One of Japans Last. Sorry to sound pedantic but we should clarify exactly what we mean by "Hard Structures" as it's too general a term. Sounds like you are pretty deep in that world! Given that it seems to fly in the face of best practice, has anyone asked what the NSW Coastal Council has to say about it? Im worried they will put one of these in at a beachie around here as the carpark and rd are imminent to be taken by the ocean and Im sure that will dramatically change the profile of that beach. For those who may not know, the private land issue is complicated in NSW in particular (less so in other states) by the existence of ambulatory land boundaries which are set at various levels of the tide eg mean high water. "The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated." Thats just a done deal. Tonights high tide is 1.34m, tomorrow morning is 1.96m. The Gold Coast has undoubtedly the most at risk coastline in Australia. If that is to be avoided there needs to be a concerted effort to gain the support of the wider NB community to create pressure on the council to develop a more acceptable plan. Surfers, sun bathers and swimmers. It has to be worth a look. And since there's been no budget allocated for future buy backs. Please include direct and indirect costs. Yes, blowie, I've yet to see anyone our age advocating for a soft solution. I wrote to Many Hydraulics Laboratory to ask for the details regarding the sea wall assessment they produced. oh yeah and someone call security. The Collaroy Beach seawall project was put to the test for the first time today with the arrival of a moderate to large east-northeast groundswell from ex-Tropical Cyclone Seth, coinciding with a king tide. There's only a loss to be made for the purchases. https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/in/peter-horton-coastal-engineer. By doing so they have encouraged similar management intervention from beachside landholders by 1. demonstrating part liability for coastal erosion processes by building such a structure that threaten adjacent properties and 2. The concern about the seawall stems from the dynamic nature of sand dunes and how introducing a hard structure onto the foredune interferes with the natural state of flux. The first application for a sloping structure was widely publicised and accepted by most who saw it. Which is why Ill correct you and call it the Manly Hydraulics Laboratory. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. That's appalling if it's the case, BB. Thanks lilas. A band of knowledgable people have gotten together and are in discussions about it and coming up with arguments and alternatives against it. It would be possible to introduce a major sand nourishment program to move the shoreline seaward, says Gordon. Most of these dunes have been heavily impacted by the La Nia easterlies over the last 2 years causing several car parks next to the beaches to be roped off. The seawall is protected from the direct onslaught of waves by rows of granite boulders which are reinforced every year to stop erosion. Really interesting [and sad] to see this story progress in real-time. At this point, no-one can say if any consultation occurred, though the cynical view is council ticked the box by distributing flyers to the immediate neighbours, all of whom would want similar works built to protect their properties. Their ultimate solution was a combination of 3 things- a rock boulder seawall buried in the dunes as a final line of defense in extreme erosion events to protect private properties behind (this seawall actually runs for the full extent of the Gold Coast nth beaches but is rarely seen as it is completely buried under dunes/vege), an offshore reef, also rock boulders, to attenuate wave energy under normal conditions thus widening the beach in its lee, and lastly- sand nourishment, adding more sand to the beach system. I find the whole thing fascinating, I had guys from the council to my face tell me of a future with 52 day heatwaves & in the same breath tell me of being concerened about extreme cyclones & erosion. For a couple of furlongs it was quite close to the ocean but nobody cared. Was it some random guy off the street? Ignorant clown" All the reaserch I did seemed to show that the headland affect and beaches just north of those headlands, i.e. Northern Beaches Council are the biggest tossers ever. Thanks BB. did depend a lot on steepness of the beach etc. I definitely disagree with a buy back. The Feds and States are the only ones with sufficient means to do anything, but for them its a case of not my problem. More than a year after severe storms damaged property in Collaroy, construction of a long-awaited sea wall is underway. Of the people that Swellnet spoke to, the opinions of how we got to this point swung from nefarious (It was rushed through during COVID because they knew people were occupied) to inept (It was signed off by a mid-level planner with no knowledge of coastal processes). And as I said in my first comment that is because of the road. Gold Coast City Council had a similar problem to Collaroy at Palm Beach Qld. Though still in its early days, the reef - which cost $18 million - has maintained beach width since it was completed in 2019. Not much wriggle room for negotiation, and in a volatile market owners are more liable to be offered (and it's an offer they can't refuse) recompense that sits at the lower end of the scale. This forms a foredune and a backdude. Five years ago, residents along Collaroy Beach watched helplessly as enormous waves smashed into their backyards, collapsing pools and patios of their multimillion-dollar waterfront properties. However the short period easterly swells go straight into all parts of the surfcoast digging it up and turn almost every beach with low swell energy into an ugly mess. I wouldnt have thought there would be much fetch? Owners of storm-devastated Collaroy properties on Sydney's northern beaches face paying up to $140,000 each for a new sea wall that might have saved their homes had it been there at the weekend. It's only a temporary feature. "The community is not happy." Northern Beaches Council said there had been comprehensive community consultation about the council's coastal zone management plan for Collaroy Beach. It's orders of magnitude more than a bunch of multi-million dollar properties at risk. Some investigative journalism required to obtain all the council documents around its approval process. This is where I live. "There's no sense at all in building something like this from an engineering perspective. Good point, however wouldn't a potential buyback theoretically drive the price up? LGA's apply for state and federal funding on offer for range of purposes. We do, but unfortunately we also have a pervasive mindset in surfing that everything should stay the same as it was back in the good old days. Thanks Lilas, totally get where you're coming from and taken on board. Perfect future film location for backwash kook of the day. Building a vertical [with over-top] wall is about as insane a design as you can get, as stated and proven by all the intelligent people on this forum. In one of the pics you see plant equipnent tearing up the beach in preparation for constructing a wall. It would be a good idea to put in a surf cam in that pans up and down the wall to document any changes to the beach, sand movements, erosion problems etc. Unlike politicians, scientists are usually very open with sharing their knowledge and data, to help inform the public. Well now we know who is responsible for this debacle. Children protest the building of a seawall at Collaroy-Narrabeen in 2002. But, I think its just basically supply and demand. Comparing the swell to those of last year it wasn't of any major significance but it shows the futile efforts trying to protect property with a hard structure. The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated. We can mess things up in a colossal way, and then keep doing it repeatedly. It might be cold comfort to the home owners, but there's always a certain risk to be taken, anywhere you might choose to live. I will check with him and report back. Thanks, Lilas, I agree with there being challenges inherent in generalising, but I'm going to resist the temptation to take our shared pedantry down the rabbit hole this time! (Those suburbs are just local ones I know a bit about. Its brutalist engineering, says Gordon frankly. Here's also the appendices and figures etc: https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/collaroy-na Yeah, cheers I've been through them as well. It may not happen in my lifetime [fingers-crosssed] but it's a real issue when thinking about your children who eventually inherit your home. My comment in the other article also notes that across this region, "it is illegal to establish, maintain or use a spoil ground or other ocean disposal point (including dumping materials at sea)". I've looked at the general location plan of the cables and it seems there is a good say 500m- 1000m distance between groups of them along the beach, and they are buried for the first 500m out from the shore, so I would say there is a good chance of working within those areas in consultation with the cable authorities. The Palm Beach artificial reef is now completed. This was done to ensure the wall would be up before people realised what it was. While celebrating his record for coastal protection with a park on the Collaroy-Narrabeen stretch, Northern Beaches council was also processing a Development Application thatd threaten the very same beach. Im just saying its a difficult issue, beachwall terrible and if its sets a precedent huge chunks of the coast stuffed. changela surname caste, mcdowell technical community college transcript request, transformational leadership is mcq, man found dead in apartment cleveland, ohio, gregory wilson allen jenifer strait, what does 4,000 holes in blackburn lancashire mean, cedar ponds washington rockhounding, boy to girl name converter, keith langford career earnings, motives 2 synopsis, ricki moskowitz obituary, hyundai i10 headlight problem, peter spencer petition, marina sirtis' husband michael lamper cause of death, did jerry mathers play on gunsmoke, Papers talking about how CO2 is a greenhouse gas to protest a planned sea wall assessment produced. 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